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Interpreting the Army Lists (Early Achaemenid Persian)

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Post by Eques on Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:50 pm

What does a VD stat of 2/3 or 1/3 mean?

Also, how are the Sparabara & Immortal units structured, ie what does the "+" thing mean in the left hand column? Does it mean the unit is half pavise and half short bow, or does it mean a large unit made up of one unit of archers and another of Pavise Bearers? Or something else?

Finally, wouldn't they have Composite Bows?

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Re: Interpreting the Army Lists (Early Achaemenid Persian)

Post by Nick B on Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:41 pm

The X/3 means its VD 3 if the general is attached to the unit.

The Sparabara/Immortals are large units made up of Pavaiases at the front with Bow to the rear but no penalty for shooting from the rear.


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Re: Interpreting the Army Lists (Early Achaemenid Persian)

Post by Gaius Cassius on Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:25 am

Just to add that the new rules around a large T unit (T+T) in AI means that the front unit is a T unit and that all calculations are taken from the front unit. The back unit feeds into the front unit. There is no need to worry about a penalty for shooting over stands.

I personally would model the front unit with two ranks of figures, the front rank being spearmen with pavise and the second rank being archers. The back unit would have two ranks of archers. This would show the unit being predominantly archers with a front veneer of spear.
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Re: Interpreting the Army Lists (Early Achaemenid Persian)

Post by Jim Webster on Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:56 am

Gaius Cassius wrote:Just to add that the new rules around a large T unit (T+T) in AI means that the front unit is a T unit and that all calculations are taken from the front unit. The back unit feeds into the front unit. There is no need to worry about a penalty for shooting over stands.

I personally would model the front unit with two ranks of figures, the front rank being spearmen with pavise and the second rank being archers. The back unit would have two ranks of archers. This would show the unit being predominantly archers with a front veneer of spear.

that's how I do it Cool
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Re: Interpreting the Army Lists (Early Achaemenid Persian)

Post by Eques on Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:19 pm

Why would Sparabara be any better at overhead shooting than other types of troop?

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Post by Jim Webster on Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:03 pm

that's what they were trained to do
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Re: Interpreting the Army Lists (Early Achaemenid Persian)

Post by Cyrus The Adequate on Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:13 pm

Eques wrote:Why would Sparabara be any better at overhead shooting than other types of troop?

They're not

The problem is the usual deep mixed formation is a unit of spearmen with some archer support, with the spearmen in the clear majority. The Sparabara "spearmen" are rather different - basically a 10 rank unit where only the front single rank has spears (and not very long ones at that) so at least 90% of the unit is bow armed - possibly as high as 100% depending on the source. Sparabara are actually bow units with a wicker shield wall, however unlike most bow armed units they did have some ability to hold their own against Hoplites. Making them deep bows wouldnt work because in deep units the casualties come off the rear rank first - which means they suffer disproportionate losses to their firing ability. So the solution that was arrived at was to allow them to shoot from the front rank, which has the advantage of actually working

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