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Re: An hot Fall (books to come!)

Post by Guest on Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:26 am

Are the Extras being redone then ?
If so can I plead for the whole of Roman history being in one volume rather than split between two. At least take it back as far as the Marius' reforms, . At the moment the split at Augustus is artificial. Although he reformed the organisation somewhat it is of little significance. The change from a Republic to the Empire didn't really affect the army. The late Republic should be in with the main Roman volume, not for example the Crusades which have no relevance at all.

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Post by jeztodd on Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:26 pm

Lorenzo just posting that think the magazine is a brilliant idea, would definitely buy this.

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Post by yorkie on Sat Sep 06, 2014 7:13 am

Good idea with the magazine, ill definitely buy it. More importantly (for me) though is that Impetus 2 will be available next year!

I wonder will it be spiral bound like the current book or maybe a big hardback....?

Personally I like the spiral bound...Wink

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Post by Greymouse on Sat Sep 06, 2014 9:05 am

I would prefer a hardcover - spiralbound is so awkward in a bookshelf...
But I'm afraid I'm part of a minority concerning this one... Wink

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Re: An hot Fall (books to come!)

Post by yorkie on Sat Sep 06, 2014 9:36 am

True, but better for the tabletop Very Happy Maybe do both!
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Post by dadiepiombo on Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:08 am

well I wondered about the hard cover. The fact is that hard cover requires a bigger investment.
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Post by Tarty on Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:23 am

I'm quiet impressed with how well my copy of Impetus has weathered the elements actually. So I would vote for spiral again.
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Re: An hot Fall (books to come!)

Post by Greymouse on Mon Sep 08, 2014 12:02 pm

As said I'd prefer a hard cover. Why? Simply because I love books and I like the view of Books in a shelf. More important for me than practical issues like lying flat on a table etc.
I'm also willing to pay more for a hardcover to cover the additional investment.
No further logical or practical reasons other than I am book fetishist Very Happy
None the less I will also buy it in spiralbound form if this is the result of your decision Smile

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Re: An hot Fall (books to come!)

Post by Dennis Maxentius on Mon Sep 08, 2014 12:36 pm

Supplements grouping similar historical periods is good and makes it easier to find compatible opposing armies without having them spread over a number of different Supplements.

I am not a fan of spiral binding because it always seems to spread, squash or pages come loose. I have mine in a display folder.

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Post by yorkie on Mon Sep 08, 2014 12:42 pm

How about the standard book with spiral binding as it is now, and a "deluxe" version, hardback, maybe with all the army lists to date in it?

I would most definitely pay the extra for that. But id get the spiral bound as well.... Smile

Or even, big fancy hardback and small A5, spiral bound core rulebook for gaming use?

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Post by yorkie on Mon Sep 08, 2014 12:55 pm

You could even do a kickstarter?
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Re: An hot Fall (books to come!)

Post by Tarty on Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:57 pm

If you do go hard cover then it's important to have it done well. Cheap is terrible. Just as bad as cheap -perfect binding - which is a total disaster waiting to happen for anything that gets thumbed as much as a main rules book.
Respectable weight in paper stock is another thing I would have to put my hand up for if I had any choice....and the secret behind good spiral binding as well. Am I sounding bias ? hahaha
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Re: An hot Fall (books to come!)

Post by starkadder on Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:33 am

I agree with Tarty on the the disaster of perfect binding. They always fall apart after a lot of use (as in playing games).

I prefer spiral as it's a consulting document. I've sometimes seem a spiral bound with its spine clad in a cloth tape.

One alternative that I've tried on books (and I was a publisher and editor) has been a perfect-bound book but have it hole-punched for keeping in its own binder. It works but would require careful handling of the text margins. It also has a curious advantage in being a way of keeping your Impetus collection together in one folder.

For anyone wanting a "book", saddle-stitch is the only option and is probably cost prohibitive.
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Re: An hot Fall (books to come!)

Post by Merlinus on Tue Sep 09, 2014 12:14 pm

I would happily pay the extra for a hardback book (especially if the armylists were included and maybe a few scenarios) as you can use the fast play sheets during play.
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Re: An hot Fall (books to come!)

Post by Tarty on Tue Sep 09, 2014 1:24 pm

I've always thought that book bound hard cover publications require a reasonably large print run before they become cost effective ?
I don't know if it's worth it .... ( we do still need more supplements as well.. ) Would be a brave call to go hard cover I think.
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Post by dadiepiombo on Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:48 pm

books with hard cover require that you print a good amount of books and you invest much money (say something like 6-7,000 euros). Once run out they are out.
Spiral bound can be printed digitally. Higher cost and lower margin but you can print (and invest) few money at time.
Now if I were sure to sell as many books as the fisrt edition, an hard cover version would make sense, but second editions are always tricky.

What I'm considering is to make a kickstarter for a "deluxe" version. If I reach a good number then I can print in that way and keep the possibility to add the spiral bound for those who prefer.
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Post by Jim Webster on Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:02 pm

If you're looking for Hardback, it might be worth getting a price of these. http://www.biddles.co.uk/

I've had them recommended to me but haven't dealt with them myself.
The company folded but was bought out by the staff last year
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Post by Greymouse on Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:51 pm

I often worked together with a digital print house that does also books in digital print. Softcover but with a strong cardboard cover. They print a lot of books for independent writers.
They print as few as 100 books. From 1000 on they recommend offset because from there on offset is cheaper but they also do bigger runnings digitally if the customer wishes.
you can check their website http://www.digidruck.at/ but it's German only Sad

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Post by jorneto on Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:07 pm

I imagine most countries have companies which offer similar printing services, but check this cost calculator from a portuguese printer:

http://www.varzeadarainha.pt/en/?area=imprimir&tipo=livros

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Re: An hot Fall (books to come!)

Post by Dennis Maxentius on Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:42 pm

Well spiral seems to be the most popular but as I said I have put mine in a Display Folder, so Spiral would still suit me. The quality and setout of the current Rulebook is great.

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Re: An hot Fall (books to come!)

Post by starkadder on Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:00 pm

You can also cheat a bit by having a spiral binding with a customised sleeve that slides over the spiral. This is often done with conference papers and works well. It will give you your spine but keep the cost down. Make it optional.

I'll make something up later today and post it, if anyone's interested.

Frankly, a PDF or interactive ruleset is the way to go. Tablets are getting better and clearer. I used my Microsoft Surface at the last convention and it was brilliant.


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Re: An hot Fall (books to come!)

Post by Dennis Maxentius on Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:06 pm

Not sure what you mean but I would be interested in seeing what you have.

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Re: An hot Fall (books to come!)

Post by Tarty on Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:38 pm

dadiepiombo wrote:
What I'm considering is to make a kickstarter for a "deluxe" version. If I reach a good number then I can print in that way and keep the possibility to add the spiral bound for those who prefer.
Yep ... that's a great idea. That way everyones happy without risking too much money up front with a hard cover print run that could end up sitting around in boxes for who knows how long....meanwhile we're all desperate for more army lists Sad
May I also request ( once more... hehe ) for decent paper weight preferably coated stock with a nice high gsm. Like the old book basically...I would much rather see a little extra spent on this. I purchased some rules just recently which feel like they've been printed on recycled toilet paper there's nothing worse and makes the whole experience feel rather cheap.
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Post by dadiepiombo on Wed Sep 10, 2014 7:20 am

well you got another point. When you go with standard printing (what would be required for hardcover book) it is hard to choose the paper. For that binding also light paper works better, while for digital print the thicker paper is better (and for spiral binding I would add necessary)
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Re: An hot Fall (books to come!)

Post by Gaius Cassius on Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:29 pm

My 1st edition Impetus rules have held up quite well and I am rather hard on my sets. I like the spiral bound because it allows the pages to lie flat on the table. I compare that to my FOG copy which I barely used and which leaves started fall out.
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