Latest topics
» Basic Battles expansion
Yesterday at 7:18 pm by stecal

» any players in the northwest ?
Yesterday at 2:56 pm by Jim Webster

» Basic Impetus v Impetus?
Yesterday at 11:28 am by stecal

» Impetus Competition Derby Worlds 2017
Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:31 pm by slowjoecrow

» First 3 games with Ptolemaics
Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:29 pm by Jim Webster

» Great Italian Wars by Sowabud
Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:26 am by Jim Webster

» Pilum, PBW and Impetus
Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:59 am by grenadiergrandson

» Help in making a errata/FAQ
Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:44 am by Tarty

» Swedish list Hakkapelitta
Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:40 am by stecal

Impetus Competition Derby Worlds 2017

Sun Jul 02, 2017 4:42 pm by Cyrus The Adequate

There will be a 28mm Impetus Competition at Derby World Wargames on 7th …

Comments: 6

Impetus at Derby?

Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:29 am by Cyrus The Adequate

Anyone interested ? 7th & 8th October at a new venue - Bruntingthorpe …

Comments: 11

Wintercon '17 July 15-16th

Sat May 06, 2017 11:44 pm by Tarty

Canberra July 15th-16th

Basic Impetus 2
28mm
Game days are Saturday and Sunday


Comments: 0

BI2 tournament - 25 March 2017

Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:08 am by RogerC

Would anyone be interested in a 28mm Basic Impetus 2 tournament on 25 March …

Comments: 24

28mm Impetus Competition York Sunday 5th February 2017

Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:44 am by Cyrus The Adequate

The traditional start to the Impetus Competition calendar in the UK is York in …

Comments: 80

1° BASIC IMPETUS tournament

Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:19 am by PAPERO

in Castegnato , near Brescia, Sunday, 08.01.2017 Cool

1st tournament BASIC …

Comments: 3

August 2017
MonTueWedThuFriSatSun
 123456
78910111213
14151617181920
21222324252627
28293031   

Calendar Calendar


Grandeur, the rules

View previous topic View next topic Go down

Grandeur, the rules

Post by dadiepiombo on Mon May 19, 2014 1:02 pm

Grandeur, the official expansion to play the Napoleonic age with Impetus at a grand tactical scale is available for free at [url=http://www.dadiepiombo.com/grandeur.html ]http://www.dadiepiombo.com/grandeur.html [/url]

It included army lists for France, Austria, Russia, Prussia and Great Britain.

avatar
dadiepiombo
Admin
Admin

Posts : 851
Reputation : 33
Join date : 2014-05-15

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Grandeur, the rules

Post by Guest on Fri Jun 20, 2014 4:08 pm

I believe the artillery rules for Napoleonic games are in error or need some clarification. Light artillery and heavy artillery have approximately the same effective range, it is the damage they cause at ranges that varies. The rules seem to imply, although don't specifically say, that heavier guns have a longer effective range. I can quote my sources for this if challenged, but to do so will take some little time.
B.

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: Grandeur, the rules

Post by dadiepiombo on Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:11 pm

what is your opinion? should light artillery reduce their range?
avatar
dadiepiombo
Admin
Admin

Posts : 851
Reputation : 33
Join date : 2014-05-15

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Grandeur, the rules

Post by Guest on Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:24 pm

There were several experiments with Napoleonic artillery, one especially being the 'Madras Records'.
I'll take one of my books,- 'Weapons & Equipment of the Napoleonic Wars' by Philip Haythornthwaite, the other books I've got give much the same information. I quote'' the maximum effective range of all[ field pieces can be said to be between 100 and 1,000 yards.' [his italics]. This discusses effective as opposed to theoretical maxima.
3pdr- 450 yds- 100% effective
3pdr -750 yds- 34%
3pdr- 1,100 yds - 20%
6pdr- 520 yds -100% effective
6pdr- 950 yds-31%
6pdr- 1,200 yds- 17%
12pdr- 600 yds-100% effective
12pdr- 950 yds- 26%
12pdr- 1,300 yds- 15%
The test results were for firing roundshot at a target representing a line of infantry.
Other sources give much the same information.
The ranges are not course identical, but they all fall within roughly the same perameters.
British 6 pdr canister,
400 yds- 41%
600 yds- 23%
The Madras Artillery manual also gives records for spherical case.
I can provide them if you would like to pm me.

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: Grandeur, the rules

Post by phenallred on Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:28 pm

Hello all
with the possibility of public humiliation I have been looking at the army lists for Grandeur, and have had a go at setting them for the Basic Impetus format. only the French and British so far for The Peninsular Campaign.
Also my first attempt at bases. see my blog
phenallred.blogspot.co.uk
( putting head bellow the sand bags )

phenallred
VBU 2
VBU 2

Posts : 18
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2015-04-04

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Grandeur, the rules

Post by dadiepiombo on Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:33 pm

why humiliation? good job and very good paint job!
avatar
dadiepiombo
Admin
Admin

Posts : 851
Reputation : 33
Join date : 2014-05-15

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Grandeur, the rules

Post by phenallred on Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:37 pm

Thanks it is always a little bit tricky to comment on others rules especially if you are looking at changing them in anyway

phenallred
VBU 2
VBU 2

Posts : 18
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2015-04-04

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Grandeur, the rules

Post by dadiepiombo on Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:47 pm

Grandeur is a set still under development so any feed back, test or suggestions is welcome
avatar
dadiepiombo
Admin
Admin

Posts : 851
Reputation : 33
Join date : 2014-05-15

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Grandeur, the rules

Post by phenallred on Sun Apr 05, 2015 12:30 pm

I shall put my mind to putting together a few more lists and play testing

phenallred
VBU 2
VBU 2

Posts : 18
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2015-04-04

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Grandeur, the rules

Post by prapor on Sat Jun 13, 2015 10:47 pm

A few thoughts and questions after test game, if you don't mind.

We liked Grandeur in general, because like Impetus. But few moments caused debates and what we changed:

1. Game speed. We playing 15mm so 1U=1cm. And its ok when phalanx going 5-10cm a turn. In medieval we playing mostly cavalry armies, so 10-20cm per turn even better. But napoleonic about big infantry armies and about maneuver. 5cm just don't work for us, so we doubled all movement distances. And played game with 650+ armies about 3hrs, just ok, with good portion of maneuvering.

2. Artillery. Looks like underrated. We had 4 bases ArtB each and they were useful only while defending fire.

3. Skirmish fire. And this is looks overrated. First of all, its more effective then artillery (because high VBU) and as effective as defending fire. Not sure that in realty skirmishers ever could overran whole brigade. We discussed option halving skirmish dices but not tested.

4. Defending fire (opportunity while charged). Most debated moment. Well, ok, defenders have skirmishers, battalion artillery and volleys. But attackers had skirmishers and artillery too! And they in theory have elan. In reality attacking even forces was common.  In Grandeur def regular inf have a bonus 7 dices (VBU+pb) beforе every melee. And only 1 dice I bonus for attacker. So attacking is very suicidal now. You can win of course but rely only on 6s. In our game attacker lost about 4of5 attacks. We disscussed a few options. Make I more, or like pilum attacker makes firing too with halve dices. But no agreement now.  

It's just thoughts and very interesting hear your opinion.


prapor
VBU 2
VBU 2

Posts : 10
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2015-06-13

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Grandeur, the rules

Post by dadiepiombo on Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:52 am

longway I don't play Grandeur. All your comments make sense.
1. Ok faster is better
2. Ok, does it depend on increasing the movements?
Artillery should be more effetive against foot in squares and cavalry should bring foot in squares so that artillery can hit. Anyway you can try to increase the dice on the firing table
3. Try halving dice. Another way to go is to use fixed dice (not linked to VBU)
4. Defensive fire could be halved (round up)
avatar
dadiepiombo
Admin
Admin

Posts : 851
Reputation : 33
Join date : 2014-05-15

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Grandeur, the rules

Post by Jim Webster on Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:26 am

Does a set of Napoleonic rules need defensive fire for anything other than artillery?

Against cavalry infantry just go into square and fire normally in their next turn, at the cavalry who should be milling about around them at point blank range.
Against other Infantry, there should really be some sort of firefight before one side or the other charges, and this probably means that the charger will not be far away from the charged at that point. So really the defensive fire will have happened during the two or three previous exchanges of fire.

It might be that people do just try piling into combat in column (which in the Napoleonic period tended to happen by accident because the tactic was to advance in column and fight in line)

In which case it might be worth having a really good defensive fire bonus, but one that is only available to fresh troops who haven't previously fired.
So that would encourage attackers to attack properly, with fire support and shooting their own weapons.
And of course encourage defenders to cherish the reverse slope Very Happy
avatar
Jim Webster
VBU 7 h.c.
VBU 7 h.c.

Posts : 477
Reputation : 12
Join date : 2014-05-19

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Grandeur, the rules

Post by prapor on Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:11 pm

Today we talked again about skirmish and defense fire and there was good point: not halve dices but make more bonus for Cohesion test against firing (not artillery), +2 or even +3. So firing can disorder but not much damage for fresh troops. Will test.


prapor
VBU 2
VBU 2

Posts : 10
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2015-06-13

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Grandeur, the rules

Post by Scruff on Fri May 27, 2016 10:48 am

Are these rules still available?

The link to them is dead.

cheers

Scruff
VBU 2
VBU 2

Posts : 20
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2016-01-01

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Grandeur, the rules

Post by Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

View previous topic View next topic Back to top

- Similar topics

 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum