Latest topics
» Newsletter?
Today at 4:38 pm by Tankred

» First Game Of BI2
Today at 4:36 pm by Tankred

» Raphia in 15mm
Today at 6:56 am by Frostie

» Disordering Terrain Effect
Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:19 am by Jim Webster

» Quick Reference Sheet
Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:01 am by Daschuk

» Quick Reference Sheet
Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:01 am by Daschuk

» Doubt on '+'
Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:21 pm by Zippee

» Melee Modifier for Charging Stationary Chariots
Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:10 am by Zippee

» Opportunity Charge Questions
Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:22 pm by Cyrus The Adequate

Vapnartak. Sunday 4th February 2018 Knavesmere Stand York Racecourse

Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:54 am by Cyrus The Adequate

Hi Gents

York is the usual first event in the UK Impetus calendar. This year …

Comments: 28

BI2 tournament - 12 May 2018

Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:26 am by RogerC

Following the success of the Battle of Evesham, I thought I’d do another …

Comments: 4

Basic Impetus 2 Comp, January 2018?

Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:03 am by Aurelius

I've brought the confirmed details for the Basic Impetus competition to the …

Comments: 32

Vapnartak York Feb 2018- format options?

Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:26 am by Cyrus The Adequate

Hi everyone

I was pondering the options for the York competition and wondered …

Comments: 11

Impetus Competition Derby Worlds 2017

Sun Jul 02, 2017 4:42 pm by Cyrus The Adequate

There will be a 28mm Impetus Competition at Derby World Wargames on 7th …

Comments: 47

Impetus at Derby?

Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:29 am by Cyrus The Adequate

Anyone interested ? 7th & 8th October at a new venue - Bruntingthorpe …

Comments: 11

February 2018
MonTueWedThuFriSatSun
   1234
567891011
12131415161718
19202122232425
262728    

Calendar Calendar


BETA: Catalan Company crossbow

Go down

BETA: Catalan Company crossbow

Post by starkadder on Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:09 am

Beta list 2

OR S - Crossbowmen 8 2 0 C 1 7 Short bow B

Is this a misclassification or is there a rationale for classifying crossbowmen as short bow B?
avatar
starkadder
VBU 4
VBU 4

Posts : 302
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2014-05-19
Age : 64
Location : Tahmoor, NSW, Oz

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: BETA: Catalan Company crossbow

Post by Jim Webster on Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:36 pm

My guess is that it's a glitch. Not sure why Skirmishers should be C class, but that's obviously allowed for in the points
avatar
Jim Webster
VBU 7 h.c.
VBU 7 h.c.

Posts : 503
Reputation : 15
Join date : 2014-05-19

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: BETA: Catalan Company crossbow

Post by starkadder on Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:16 pm

My Mycenaean slingers are also classed as C.

God knows why. So little is known of them and a decent ability in a slinger would be one of the base skills of almost all Bronze Age warriors even if only considered as a youthful pursuit.

I no longer care much about lists except for comps. The dominant driver would appear to be wish fulfillment.
avatar
starkadder
VBU 4
VBU 4

Posts : 302
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2014-05-19
Age : 64
Location : Tahmoor, NSW, Oz

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: BETA: Catalan Company crossbow

Post by Cyrus The Adequate on Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:22 am

starkadder wrote:

I no longer care much about lists except for comps. The dominant driver would appear to be wish fulfillment.

+1 but with less bile - if I can use that phrase. I get a bit fed up with (almost) every new beta being super soldiers
avatar
Cyrus The Adequate
VBU 5
VBU 5

Posts : 564
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2014-05-27

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: BETA: Catalan Company crossbow

Post by starkadder on Sat Aug 01, 2015 11:45 pm

No bile here, Cyrus. Just an observation.

The Australian player base is fairly narrow. Historical match-ups are tricky to arrange.

I am used to playing Mycenaeans against Late Medieval armies with hyper-specific troop types and over-powered abilities. That's the luck of it.

It's only toy soldiers, after all. If you're upset about being thumped in a game of tin dollies, you don't have much else going on, do you?

Because of research, generally done by others or with a heavy reliance on <ptah> Ospreys, Late Medieval armies are a true golf-bag army. Pull out what you want for the situation. I am not worried by that. It's the landscape.

Everybody, I hope, has a reason for running their particular forces. Most have little obsessions with particular troop types. For instance, I love chariots and have had an interest in Mycenaean society since childhood. I'd love to see them toe to toe with a bunch of ridiculously undisciplined French knights or tactical dead-end formations like schiltrons. But they can't, so I deal with it and enjoy the game. Every now and then I sneak a win. That's enough.
avatar
starkadder
VBU 4
VBU 4

Posts : 302
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2014-05-19
Age : 64
Location : Tahmoor, NSW, Oz

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: BETA: Catalan Company crossbow

Post by Cyrus The Adequate on Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:45 am

Lol - Zombie thread and all that but I must have missed this. I play Persians because I was always struck by how they were portrayed as basically comedy baddies, somehow capable of ruling the largest empire in the world and at the same time unable to put their shirts on without getting them backwards. When I read into what little there is it struck me just how sophisticated, advanced and civilised they were.

I just wish they had plainer costumes as painting them is a bitch :-)
avatar
Cyrus The Adequate
VBU 5
VBU 5

Posts : 564
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2014-05-27

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: BETA: Catalan Company crossbow

Post by dadiepiombo on Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:13 pm

missed this discussione as well, I suppose the crossbowmen with bow is a typo.
I have to update the beta file (I made an error with an update) and going to fix also this
avatar
dadiepiombo
Admin
Admin

Posts : 893
Reputation : 33
Join date : 2014-05-15

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: BETA: Catalan Company crossbow

Post by starkadder on Thu Jul 07, 2016 10:13 pm

Cyrus The Adequate wrote: I was always struck by how they were portrayed as basically comedy baddies, somehow capable of ruling the largest empire in the world and at the same time unable to put their shirts on without getting them backwards. 


It's amazing, isn't it? Probably the most cosmopolitan civilisation at the time and all you see now are things like that ridiculous fascist paean "300". I have a small Persian army for a very similar reason, Cyrus. It has a very rough time against most opponents. I wonder how it performs in 15mm.

Thanks for looking at that, Lorenzo.
avatar
starkadder
VBU 4
VBU 4

Posts : 302
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2014-05-19
Age : 64
Location : Tahmoor, NSW, Oz

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: BETA: Catalan Company crossbow

Post by Jim Webster on Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:49 am

I think one problem they had was that their previous enemies had been based around second rate infantry and decent cavalry. The Persian infantry was good enough to stand in the face of the enemy infantry and the Persian cavalry was better.

When facing Greeks we don't know a lot about the battles in the Ionian Revolt, but the Greeks lost them. Once you got into Greece proper the Persians had no answer to good heavy infantry who wanted to get stuck in, and the terrain never seems to have let them use their cavalry properly
If you read Xenophon the Greeks, even under Agesilaus, were very wary of Persian cavalry. Indeed the Macedonians were and their Successors used as much of it as they could raise.
avatar
Jim Webster
VBU 7 h.c.
VBU 7 h.c.

Posts : 503
Reputation : 15
Join date : 2014-05-19

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: BETA: Catalan Company crossbow

Post by Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Back to top

- Similar topics

 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum