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Post by Aurelius on Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:58 pm

When the defender places terrain the majority of pieces must be outside the deployment areas. Does that restriction apply to the attacker when pieces are moved? For example, under the tournament rules, if a defender places 2 pieces, 1 in deployment area and 1 outside, could the attacker move the piece outside into either zone? Question

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Re: Terrain Placement

Post by jeztodd on Thu Sep 03, 2015 3:58 pm

Hi Tony - I am sure that the attacker gets the option to move an place anywhere.

In the advanced impetus supplement it carefully mentions that the defender can only place one terrain piece in a deployment area - and then mentions the attacker can move a terrain piece with nothing stated about deployment zones.

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Re: Terrain Placement

Post by Gaius Cassius on Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:07 pm

Interesting. We've always played it that the attacker is bound by the same restrictions as the defender. So only one piece of terrain can be placed in the deployment area after the attacker has finished moving the terrain. Curious to see how others interpret this rule. Perhaps Lorenzo can give us an official ruling.
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Re: Terrain Placement

Post by Aurelius on Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:27 pm

Hi Jez,

Yes, that is the way I have always understood the rule, and that is the way it has been played at tournaments I've been at. But I hope that Gaius Cassius is correct as I've always thought that it gives the attacker a significant advantage. Inevitably if the defender places a piece of difficult or impassable terrain he is going to find it moved into the centre of his deployment zone...

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Re: Terrain Placement

Post by Tarty on Sat Sep 05, 2015 1:44 am

We've always played it that the attacker is bound by the same restrictions as the defender.
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Re: Terrain Placement

Post by Zippee on Sat Sep 05, 2015 7:52 am

Tarty wrote:We've always played it that the attacker is bound by the same restrictions as the defender.

+1

though we rarely bother with the tournament terrain rules - but when we do for some reason, that's how we do it.
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Re: Terrain Placement

Post by Granicus Gaugamela on Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:27 am

And what if one side is Swiss?

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Re: Terrain Placement

Post by GamesPoet on Mon Sep 07, 2015 3:09 pm

Then the other side must be the Burgundians? ; )

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Re: Terrain Placement

Post by Greymouse on Mon Sep 07, 2015 6:46 pm

Could be Austrians also ^^

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Re: Terrain Placement

Post by jeztodd on Tue Sep 08, 2015 4:22 pm

Hi think it is interesting how there are different interpretations for tournaments in UK and Australia for example - agree it is a bit antisocial if you get a large full size limit 35cm x 15cm in your deployment area though.

No special axe to grind here- though personally think if you elect to be defender and place some impassable terrain you have to be open to the chance that it may be moved into your deployment area by the attacker.

Any other UK tournament players any thoughts - sure this is how we have played it before?

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Re: Terrain Placement

Post by dadiepiombo on Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:14 am

we usually take the same restriction for attacker but I would be not suprised if this sometimes is forgotten. What the rules wants is to avoid a side cannot deply as filled with bad terrain. Nothing more.
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Re: Terrain Placement

Post by jeztodd on Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:10 pm

Thanks Lorenzo - will now adjust my rules interpretation and take this as applying the same restriction.

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Re: Terrain Placement

Post by Cyrus The Adequate on Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:31 pm

jeztodd wrote:Hi think it is interesting how there are different interpretations for tournaments in UK and Australia for example - agree it is a bit antisocial if you get a large full size limit 35cm x 15cm in your deployment area though.

No special axe to grind here- though personally think if you elect to be defender and place some impassable terrain you have to be open to the chance that it may be moved into your deployment area by the attacker.

Any other UK tournament players any thoughts - sure this is how we have played it before?

Cheers Jez

I didn't think the restriction applies to the attacker - if it did you could guarantee your other terrain choices were safe by putting a road across the table. As for impassible terrain - any defender who does that should expect it in his deployment and a BUA as well as far as I am concerned
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Re: Terrain Placement

Post by Aurelius on Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:24 pm

Thanks Lorenzo, I thought that would be the intention.

Cyrus, not sure I understand your point. Is placement of impassable terrain by a defender in some way wrong?

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Re: Terrain Placement

Post by Cyrus The Adequate on Fri Sep 11, 2015 7:36 am

Not at all, but it is counter productive IF the attacker can move it because he will\should put it in your deploy area, then follow it up with the largest BUA you are allowed.

My problem with the deployment area restrictions is the road. If you place a road and 2 others the road must be in both the deploy areas, so it prevents your opponent moving any terrain into his (or your) deployment areas. As you can only move one terrain piece at 300-350 you have severely restricted your opponents options as it now can only reposition one piece and that can only stay in the central area
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Re: Terrain Placement

Post by Gaius Cassius on Fri Sep 11, 2015 11:03 pm

The Attacker can still place terrain in an advantageous manner without it being literally in the deployment area of either side.
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Re: Terrain Placement

Post by Cyrus The Adequate on Fri Sep 11, 2015 11:36 pm

He can only move 1 piece and it can only be in the central area and he cannot ambush from it - I can hear the defender quaking in his boots. Of course the attacker could make it worse and place a terrain piece with a part of it touching the defenders half of the table so the Defender can ambush from it, so realistically I cant see any particular advantage the attacker can gain UNLESS he has major control, but of course if that were the case he will probably defend anyway.

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Re: Terrain Placement

Post by Gaius Cassius on Sat Sep 12, 2015 3:05 am

Cyrus The Adequate wrote: Play many competitions?

Yes and no. Currently we are running a local Impetus league. We use the competition rules for the league and use the terrain selection rules from AI. That means we've all played 100+ competition games. On the other hand, no we don't run Impetus tournaments so far in Canada (hopefully that can change.) Not enough local players to make one work.
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