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Would Baroque work for the WSS?

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Would Baroque work for the WSS?

Post by Gaius Cassius on Thu May 19, 2016 1:39 pm

Just wondering if the Baroque would work for the War of the Spanish Succession and GNW?
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Re: Would Baroque work for the WSS?

Post by Zippee on Thu May 19, 2016 2:50 pm

Lorenzo has already said that he is working on an extension to do just that. Probably for one of the magazines IIRC

As it stands it may not be tailor made for WSS but you would certainly get a decent game - a lot depends on how much flavour detail you want to see. you won't see differences in volley techniques brought out for instance but then I tend to think too much emphasis is placed on that anyway.

So if you just want a good game with WSS figures then yes absolutely. If you want more specific flavour then maybe not but as you clearly know what you want in this case, it should be easy to modify Baroque accordingly.
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Re: Would Baroque work for the WSS?

Post by stecal on Thu May 19, 2016 4:10 pm

I think it will work well if you assume each unit is a brigade of 6-8 battalions or squadrons.

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Re: Would Baroque work for the WSS?

Post by Zippee on Thu May 19, 2016 6:38 pm

I don't think that's necessarily required - rather depends on how many units you can put on the table. Clearly with 1 base = a battalion you're not going to fit Blenheim on a 4' x 4' table but I don't think you need to bathtub because of the rules.

I played a bunch of Baroque on 60mm bases with 6mm - it works very handily and that might be a decent way to go to get the bigger battle feel.
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Re: Would Baroque work for the WSS?

Post by Tarty on Thu May 19, 2016 11:40 pm

I've heard a few people ask this question since Baroque came out. Maybe Lorenzo should think seriously about moving that project (WSS/GNW supplement) up the ladder ? Wouldn't take much it's almost there.
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Re: Would Baroque work for the WSS?

Post by Gaius Cassius on Fri May 20, 2016 5:51 am

Zippee wrote:I don't think that's necessarily required - rather depends on how many units you can put on the table. Clearly with 1 base = a battalion you're not going to fit Blenheim on a 4' x 4' table but I don't think you need to bathtub because of the rules.

I played a bunch of Baroque on 60mm bases with 6mm - it works very handily and that might be a decent way to go to get the bigger battle feel.

I was thinking of 12cm stands like Impetus with a dozen or so figures on it with each stand being a battalion. Sounds like that could work. I have a 8' by 6' table and at our club we can make larger combinations still.

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Re: Would Baroque work for the WSS?

Post by Jim Webster on Fri May 20, 2016 10:40 am

We fought the Battle of Assaye with it (India 1803) and it worked well Very Happy
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Re: Would Baroque work for the WSS?

Post by Zippee on Fri May 20, 2016 12:25 pm

Gaius Cassius wrote:
I was thinking of 12cm stands like Impetus with a dozen or so figures on it with each stand being a battalion. Sounds like that could work. I have a 8' by 6' table and at our club we can make larger combinations still.

And that's how I would do it as well* but Stecal clearly felt you needed to up the ante to a base = a brigade.

*Well actually I'd have 30+ figures per base as I do with my ECW and LOA units Smile but yes, each base = a battalion
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Re: Would Baroque work for the WSS?

Post by Zippee on Fri May 20, 2016 12:28 pm

Jim Webster wrote:We fought the Battle of Assaye with it (India 1803) and it worked well Very Happy

Ooh nice,

I am a little concerned that the only candidates for natives is WB in Baroque - I do wonder if this will limit it's adaptability for colonial wars, in period that is. Assaye obviously isn't that Smile

There is very definitely a good basic black powder / horse and musket ruleset just bubbling under from Baroque
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Re: Would Baroque work for the WSS?

Post by Jim Webster on Fri May 20, 2016 1:04 pm

Actually while you get warband, you can also have sepoys and archers.
You can also give mounted troops a big -SM to cheapen them but they still always roll 1d6 for missile fire, so Pindaris and other similar light horse can be a nuisance but cannot cope with a charge Very Happy
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Re: Would Baroque work for the WSS?

Post by Zippee on Fri May 20, 2016 2:15 pm

Fair consideration for later India Jim and I think you're on the right track but there are a number of problems if you look at the wider picture of colonial 16th - 18th C.

Let's start at the top - what's an elephant classed as?
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Re: Would Baroque work for the WSS?

Post by Jim Webster on Fri May 20, 2016 2:47 pm

actually rockets are a bigger issue. An elephant you can just lift straight from Impetus
Impetus has stuff for Chinese rockets but I don't think they capture the feel
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Re: Would Baroque work for the WSS?

Post by Zippee on Fri May 20, 2016 4:37 pm

Not saying you can't work something out.

Just that as they are there are a lot of holes when it comes to non Western European warfare
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Re: Would Baroque work for the WSS?

Post by Jim Webster on Sat May 21, 2016 8:06 pm

Well with the cavalry there is already a Sipahis class, and the rules are designed to be able to cope with Turks, so we've found the holes aren't as bad as we feared
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