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Question about unit stats.

Post by nicholassalmon on Sun Jul 24, 2016 8:09 pm

Hi guys, this may seem a basic question but what is the basis of a units statistics? Movement and Discipline are straightforward but I cannot find any instructions on how to work out VBU, Impetus and VD. I have ancient impetus and all the Impetus Extras so the work has been done for me there but I have recently bought Baroque and would like to start making some lists based on the FoG army list books. I know some lists are being written and will be published in due course but I would prefer not to wait and do my own. There must be some rules that list makers follow? Any help given would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Question about unit stats.

Post by Tarty on Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:25 pm

Reasonable question Nick. Lorenzo may well release something covering this eventually. There is a 'points calculator' for making Impetus units can't see why he wouldn't reveal the recipe for Baroque also at some stage.
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Re: Question about unit stats.

Post by nicholassalmon on Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:39 pm

Hi tarty, yes I have the points sheet but that only assigns a value to a unit once it has been created, it doesn't shed any light on why one unit is a "6" and another a "4", what are the formulas? I am starting to suspect that the authors want to keep it a secret so people have to buy the period modules. A shame if true.......

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Re: Question about unit stats.

Post by Tarty on Mon Jul 25, 2016 12:12 am

I would just go ahead anyway Nick couldn't go far wrong if using the FoG lists as a guide they're pretty good. I've done a couple using the DBR books also wasn't too hard.
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Re: Question about unit stats.

Post by dadiepiombo on Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:11 pm

no problem to publish the point system (I was convinced to have already done), just bear in mind that this may include the cost of some special not yet included and/or tested.
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Re: Question about unit stats.

Post by nicholassalmon on Wed Aug 03, 2016 1:20 pm

I am not after points values but the mechanism that allows VBU to be calculated.

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Re: Question about unit stats.

Post by Gaius Cassius on Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:12 pm

There is no mechanism that allows VBU to be calculated that I am aware of. In Impetus there are certain conventions that lend to certain ratings. So for instance, average T units have a VBU of 3 and better T  have a VBU of 4. Same with CL. High quality FP is 6, average FP is 5, below average is 4. Average S are 2, above average 3 and so on. It might be helpful to know from Lorenzo the conventions he followed in Baroque that caused him to rate units at a certain VBU. Perhaps there are enough lists that you can deduce this?
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Re: Question about unit stats.

Post by dadiepiombo on Thu Aug 18, 2016 10:33 am

well, first it comes from experience and playtest.
Generally troops with VBU 4 or less are not troop for melee.
For shock foot VBU 5 is average, while VBU 6 is elite.
For Mounted shock cavalry can reach VBU 8, but only if really strong. VBU 6 is poor and is the average.
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